THE STUDIES DO PROVE THERE NEVER WAS A DISTINCT "RACE OF PALESTINIANS"...THAT GROUP IS A VERY COMPLEX MIXTURE OF MANY OTHER RACES...INCLUDING AFRICAN, EUROPEAN, AND JEW!
DNA ANALYSIS CONFIRMS THAT THE BEDOUIN PEOPLE, NOT "PALESTINIANS" HAVE FAR MORE GENETIC CLAIM TO BEING IN THE REGION WAY BEFORE THOSE CLAIMING TO BE "PALESTINIANS"!
IF GENETIC "PURITY" COUNTS, BEDOUINS WIN!
MAYBE, AFTER MAKING A CAREFUL STUDY OF THE DNA EVIDENCE, THOSE IN GAZA WILL DECIDE THEY ARE BEDOUINS???
OUT OF AFRICA
ALSO OF GREAT INTEREST ARE THE FINDINGS OF THE ORIGINS OF "ARABS" IN GENERAL!
BOTH PALESTINIANS AND THE MAJORITY OF OTHER "RECENT ARABS" ABSOLUTELY HAVE DNA LINKS TO WHAT IS CALLED "BLACK AFRICANS".
THE JEWISH RACE HAS NO SUCH DNA LINKAGE!
"Palestinian Genes Show Arab, Jewish, European and Black-African Ancestry."
A study by the University of Chicago found that Arab populations, including "Palestinians", Jordanians, Syrians, Iraqis, and Bedouin, have at least some sub-Saharan African genes.
Non-Arabs from the region, including Turks, Kurds, Armenians, Azeris, Georgians, and Jews did not have any African roots.
Other Arabs, especially those far away from the Arabian peninsula, have as little as 10% African blood in their mtDNA. As such, it is possible that the African gene was merely diluted by the introduction of non-Arab (and non-African) genes to the pool when Arabs began to MIGRATE TO and conquer other Middle East people after the rise of Islam.
The "real" Arabs -- those who have Arab ancestors stretching beyond the last 1,400 years – are actually 35% Black in their mtDNA. These Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula.
So, these are "partially" Arab and partially descendants of the nations that lived in their region prior to the rise of the Muslim faith. Just as their "Arab gene" was diluted by mixing with local genes, so too the 35% of the mtDNA that is Black African was diluted and reduced to around 10%.
The original Arab population that arrived in the Levant was relatively small and could not have populated a region stretching from Iraq to Morocco with such density, no matter the birth rate . Both historically and genetically, it is almost definite that the Arab population intermarried with locals once they moved in
PALESTINIAN DNA DIFFERS FROM ARABS IN THE REGION!
DNA SHOWS THEY ARE THE NEWEST "NEWCOMERS" TO THE REGION!
"Palestinians, however, differ even from other Arabs in more ways than one!"
As the web site for Harper’s Magazine reported, one study showed that Jews and Palestinians have common ancestry that is so recent that it is highly likely that at least some of the Palestinian blood actually descends from Jews.
AND, AS IT IS GENETICALLY PROVEN JEWS ARE A DISTINCT RACE, PALESTINIANS CAN NEVER CLAIM THIS IN TRUTH!
Another study by New York University confirmed a remarkable similarity between Jewish and Palestinian genes. "Jews and Arabs are all really children of Abraham," said Dr. Harry Ostrer, director of the Human Genetics Program at New York University School of Medicine
According to several other studies, Palestinians and Jews are genetically closer to each other than either is to the Arabs of Arabia or to Europeans
Several studies have shown that Palestinians, OF ALL ARABIC PEOPLE, also have a larger than usual amount, genetically, of EUROPEAN BLOOD!
What can be genetically classified as "TRUE ARABS" spread into the area from areas called Anatolia and the Caucasus Region of ASIA.
<<Within the Middle East, SNP analysis shows that the J1-L136 branch migrated south from eastern Anatolia and split in three directions: the Levant, the southern Zagros (and southern Mesopotamia ?), and the mountainous south-western corner of the Arabian peninsula (mostly in Yemen), bypassing the Arabian Desert. That latter group, consisting essentially of J1-P56 lineages, crossed the Red Sea to settle Sudan, Eritrea, Djibouti and northern Somalia.
These Neolithic J1 goat herders were almost certainly not homogenous tribes consisting exclusively of J1 lineages, but in all likelihood a blend of J1 and T1 lineages. So much is evident from the presence of both J1 and T1 in north-east Africa, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, but also in the Fertile Crescent, the Caucasus and the mountainous parts of southern Europe.
Maternal lineages also correlate. Wherever J1 and T1 are found in high frequency, mtDNA haplogroups HV, N1 and U3 are also present, as well as J, K and T to a lower extent (=>see Correlating the mtDNA haplogroups of the original Y-haplogroup J1 and T1 herders). It is unclear whether goats were domesticated by a tribe that already comprised both J1 and T1 lineages, or if the merger between the two groups happened during the Neolithic expansion, when two separate tribes would have bumped into each other, intermixed, and thereafter propagated together.
Maternal lineages also correlate. Wherever J1 and T1 are found in high frequency, mtDNA haplogroups HV, N1 and U3 are also present, as well as J, K and T to a lower extent (=>see Correlating the mtDNA haplogroups of the original Y-haplogroup J1 and T1 herders). It is unclear whether goats were domesticated by a tribe that already comprised both J1 and T1 lineages, or if the merger between the two groups happened during the Neolithic expansion, when two separate tribes would have bumped into each other, intermixed, and thereafter propagated together.
GREATER "PURITY" FOUND IN THE BEDOUIN PEOPLE!
Camels were domesticated in Somalia and southern Arabia c. 3,000 BCE, but did not become widely used in the southern Levant before approximately 1,100 BCE. Camels played an important role in the further diffusion of J1-P58 lineages, notably with the Bedouins in the desertic parts of the Middle East and North Africa. Bedouins now make up a substantial percentage of the population of Sudan (33%), Libya (15%), the United Arab Emirates (8%) and Saudi Arabia (5%).
Based on data, the main Lebanese subclades of J1 appear to be J1-YSC234 and J1-YSC76. Both subclades have also been found in Sicily, Andalusia and Portugal, which suggests that they were already found among the Phoenicians.
ON GENETIC FATHERHOOD
Is J1-P58 the main Arabic paternal lineage ?
Looking at the Y-DNA haplogroup frequencies by country it is easy to assume that J1 is a marker of Arabic ancestry because J1 reaches its maximum frequency in and around the Arabian peninsula. Things are more complicated, however.
SPEAKING ARABIC DOES NOT MAKE ONE AN ARAB!
It is important to make a clear distinction between people who speak Arabic and those who are genetically Arabic. These are two completely different things. For comparison, people who speak languages descended from Latin (French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Romanian) are not necessarily descended from the ancient Romans of the Latium.
Most present-day Arabic speakers outside the Arabian Peninsula are likewise only very partially or not all Arabic genetically.
In the northern half of the Middle East, most of the people who call themselves Arabs of today are in fact mainly descendants of other historic peoples, such as the Phoenicians, Assyrians, Babylonians, or even the Hurrians. Most of these peoples are predominantly J2, with many minority haplogroups (E1b1b, G, J1, L, Q, R1a, R1b, T).
THE ARABIC LANGUAGE IS QUITE RECENT!
The confusion comes from the fact that the Arabic language, which appeared in little more than 1,500 years ago, is much more recent than the haplogroups J1 and J2, which are both over 15,000 years old. Even the J1-P58 subclade, associated with the historical Arabs, very clearly predates the Arabic language. The common ancestor of the J1-P58 men dates back to approximately 3500 to 4000 years ago, a time that corresponds to the development of the Central Semitic dialects. That is why that this haplogroup is common to both the Jews and the Arabs. Yet hardly anyone would argue that Jews are Arabs genetically. The two peoples are Semitic, but Jews are not Arabs, and vice versa.
The true lineage of the historic Arab people (so, mainly, those from Jordan and Saudi Arabia) is J1-YSC235 and its subclade, J1-P858. The other subclades of J1 cannot be considered to be the paternal descendants of first speakers of Arabic. These other J1 lineages were Arabicized alongside other haplogroups (J2, Q1b, etc.) during the Islamic expansion from the 7th century onward.
It is true that these more genuinely Arabic J1-P858 lineages are found everywhere in the Arabic-speaking world today, but they only represent a small minority of lineages everywhere but inside the Arabian peninsula.
More importantly, J1-P858 is not the only haplogroup that spread with the Arabic expansion linked to the diffusion of Islam. Nowadays only 40% of Saudis and 30% of Jordanians belong to J1. E1b1b-M34 is another important Arabic lineage, being found in 25% of Jordanians and 10% of Saudis. Like J1-P58, E-M34 it is also shared with their Semitic cousins, the Jews. Haplogroup E1b1b is considered the prime candidate for the origin and dispersal of AFRO-ASIATIC languages across northern and eastern Africa and south-west Asia.
The Semitic languages appear to have originated within a subclade of the M34 branch of E1b1b. One specific deeper subclade is surely associated with the development of Arabic language and with J1-P858, but it hasn't been identified yet.
Note that E-M34 itself is many thousands of years old and is also found in non-Semitic countries, including Turkey, Greece, Italy, France and Spain.
Surpisingly, even in the Caucasus and in Anatolia, the region where this haplogroup is thought to have originated, there are wide discrepancies between regions. For example, the Kubachi and Dargins from Dagestan in the Northeast Caucasus have over 80% of J1 lineages, while in their Ingush neighbours, 200 km to the north, it barely reaches 3%. East Anatolia around Lake Van sees over 30% of J1, whereas south-west Anatolia has only 2%. Even within Kurdistan frequencies vary greatly.
WHERE DO WE FIND THE "MOST ARABIC ARABS"?
NOT IN GAZA!
IN SOUTHERN IRAQ AND THE SUDAN!
In Arabic countries, J1 climaxes among the Marsh Arabs of South Iraq (81%), the Sudanese Arabs (73%), the Yemeni (72%), the Bedouins (63%), the Qatari (58%), the Saudi (40%), the Omani (38%) and FINALLY what is CALLED the "Palestinian Arabs" (38%). High percentages are also observed in the United Arab Emirates (35%), coastal Algeria (35%), Jordan (31%), Syria (30%), Tunisia (30%), Egypt (21%) and Lebanon (20%). Most of the Arabic J1 belongs to the J1c3 variety.
J1-P58 is thought to have expanded from eastern Anatolia to the Levant, Taurus and Zagros mountains and the Arabian peninsula.
We propose that the Y chromosomes in "Palestinian" Arabs represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from MORE RECENT population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews (Nebel et al. 2000).
SHARED WITH JEWS!
WELL, THE JEWS THEMSELVES RECORD THAT "ARABS" ISSUED FROM THE "COMMON FATHER", ABRAHAM!
THE PROBLEM STARTED WHEN ABRAHAM HIMSELF CHOSE HIS YOUNGER SON OVER HIS OLDER SON...WHEN THE OFFSPRING OF THE EGYPTIAN CONCUBINE WAS SENT AWAY INTO THE WILDERNESS.
THIS CANNOT BE CHANGED.
A FATHER CAN HAVE A "FAVORITE CHILD", AND ABRAHAM HAD HIS!
THE FAVORITE WAS ISAAC, NOT ISHMAEL.
SAME FATHER
THERE ARE "ARABS", THE OFFSPRING OF ISHMAEL, BUT THERE IS NO SUCH THING, GENETICALLY SPEAKING, AS A "PALESTINIAN"...THAT RACE OF PEOPLE, AS PROVEN BY DNA, NEVER EXISTED!
AND, SINCE IT DID NOT EXIST IN THE GENOME, IT CANNOT EXIST NOW.
HAMAS, INDEED ALL WHO WANT TO SEE JEWS GO EXTINCT, WILL NEVER SEE AN END TO JEWISH DNA...UNLESS THEY ALSO ERASE THEMSELVES!
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A FEW OF THE MANY SOURCES FOR THIS BLOG:
~ Chiaroni et al
~ Bentwich, Norman De Mattos. "Nationality In Mandated Territories Detached From Turkey". British Yearbook Of International Law, Vol. 7 (1926): 97-103.
~ Joseph Farah, "Myths of the Middle East
~ Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937
~ Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council
~ Gunner Edward Webbe, Palestine Exploration Fund,
~ http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J1_Y-DNA.shtml
WELL, THE JEWS THEMSELVES RECORD THAT "ARABS" ISSUED FROM THE "COMMON FATHER", ABRAHAM!
THE PROBLEM STARTED WHEN ABRAHAM HIMSELF CHOSE HIS YOUNGER SON OVER HIS OLDER SON...WHEN THE OFFSPRING OF THE EGYPTIAN CONCUBINE WAS SENT AWAY INTO THE WILDERNESS.
THIS CANNOT BE CHANGED.
A FATHER CAN HAVE A "FAVORITE CHILD", AND ABRAHAM HAD HIS!
THE FAVORITE WAS ISAAC, NOT ISHMAEL.
SAME FATHER
A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including "Palestinians" and Syrians.
Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the PATERNAL gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.
SO, THE BLOOD OF ABRAHAM FLOWED IN TWO DIRECTIONS, THE MOTHERS DIFFER, THE PROOF IS IN THE AFRICAN (EGYPTIAN) DNA, AND WE SIMPLY ACCEPT THIS AND GO ON WITH LIFE....
OR, LIKE MINDLESS IDIOTS, WE HARBOR RESENTMENT, JEALOUSY, ENVY, ANIMOSITY AND BEAT OUR HEADS AGAINST THE BRICK WALL OF THE HUMAN GENOME, AGAINST DNA EVIDENCE.
ISHMAEL HAD AN EGYPTIAN MOTHER...ISAAC DID NOT!
Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the PATERNAL gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.
SO, THE BLOOD OF ABRAHAM FLOWED IN TWO DIRECTIONS, THE MOTHERS DIFFER, THE PROOF IS IN THE AFRICAN (EGYPTIAN) DNA, AND WE SIMPLY ACCEPT THIS AND GO ON WITH LIFE....
OR, LIKE MINDLESS IDIOTS, WE HARBOR RESENTMENT, JEALOUSY, ENVY, ANIMOSITY AND BEAT OUR HEADS AGAINST THE BRICK WALL OF THE HUMAN GENOME, AGAINST DNA EVIDENCE.
ISHMAEL HAD AN EGYPTIAN MOTHER...ISAAC DID NOT!
THERE ARE "ARABS", THE OFFSPRING OF ISHMAEL, BUT THERE IS NO SUCH THING, GENETICALLY SPEAKING, AS A "PALESTINIAN"...THAT RACE OF PEOPLE, AS PROVEN BY DNA, NEVER EXISTED!
AND, SINCE IT DID NOT EXIST IN THE GENOME, IT CANNOT EXIST NOW.
HAMAS, INDEED ALL WHO WANT TO SEE JEWS GO EXTINCT, WILL NEVER SEE AN END TO JEWISH DNA...UNLESS THEY ALSO ERASE THEMSELVES!
Palestinian citizenship has developed DURING THE PAST CENTURY, starting during the British Mandate era and in a different form following the Oslo Peace process.
There has never been a sovereign Palestinian NATION/CULTURE/RACE, NO NATION IN ANCIENT HISTORY RECOGNIZED AS "PALESTINE" WITH A KING OR ANY LEADER REFERRED TO BY ANY OTHER ANCIENT KINGDOM,
NO ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE, NOT ONE COIN, NOT ONE POTTERY FRAGMENT, NOT ONE RECORD OF THEIR EXISTENCE ANYWHERE BEFORE THE 20th CENTURY.
NO GENETIC EVIDENCE TO PROVE THE CLAIM OF ANYONE WHO SAYS THEY ARE PALESTINIAN.
There has never been a sovereign Palestinian NATION/CULTURE/RACE, NO NATION IN ANCIENT HISTORY RECOGNIZED AS "PALESTINE" WITH A KING OR ANY LEADER REFERRED TO BY ANY OTHER ANCIENT KINGDOM,
NO ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE, NOT ONE COIN, NOT ONE POTTERY FRAGMENT, NOT ONE RECORD OF THEIR EXISTENCE ANYWHERE BEFORE THE 20th CENTURY.
NO GENETIC EVIDENCE TO PROVE THE CLAIM OF ANYONE WHO SAYS THEY ARE PALESTINIAN.
THE MYTH IS DISPELLED.
DNA DOES NOT LIE.
THE BEST THAT CAN BE SAID IS THAT THOSE CLAIMING TO BE "PALESTINIAN" APPEAR TO BE ABOUT "35% ARABIC"... WITH AFRICAN, EUROPEAN, AND, ALAS FOR THEM SINCE THEY CLAIM TO HATE JEWS, JEWISH GENES TOSSED IN.
NOT A BAD "MIX"...NOT ONE THAT ANYONE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF.
BUT...NOT, SIMPLY NOT "PALESTINIAN".
WE NOW HAVE ANCIENT HISTORY PLUS GENETIC EVIDENCE THAT "PALESTINIANS" ARE SELF-CREATED, COMING INTO COMMON USAGE ONLY SINCE ABOUT 1918 OR SO.
BEFORE THAT, JEWS WERE CALLED "PALESTINIANS"...BUT THE JEWS CORRECTED THAT MISNOMER.
AND SO SHOULD THE PEOPLE OF GAZA.
OWN YOUR HERITAGE!
BE PROUD OF WHO YOU ARE!
YOUR TRUE ANCESTORS WOULD NOT DENY YOU, SO WHY DENY THEM?
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A FEW OF THE MANY SOURCES FOR THIS BLOG:
~ http://www.pnas.org/content/97/12/6769.full
~ Kitchen et al. (2009)
~ Chiaroni et al
~ Bentwich, Norman De Mattos. "Nationality In Mandated Territories Detached From Turkey". British Yearbook Of International Law, Vol. 7 (1926): 97-103.
~ Joseph Farah, "Myths of the Middle East
~ Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937
~ Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council
~ Gunner Edward Webbe, Palestine Exploration Fund,
Quarterly Statement, p. 86; de Haas, History, p. 338 -
~ http://www.patheos.com/blogs/epiphenom/2009/01/shared-genetic-heritage-of-jews-and.html#ixzz3OH2CFfL8
~http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...e&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12743242
~http://foundationstone.com.au/HtmlSupport/WebPage/semiticGenetics.html
~http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8838913
~http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50C15F83F5D0C778DDDAC0894DA404482
~http://foundationstone.com.au/HtmlSupport/WebPage/semiticGenetics.html
~http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8838913
~http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50C15F83F5D0C778DDDAC0894DA404482
DNA RESPONSE:
ReplyDeleteJ1, E3a and E3b are all Y-Chromosome Haplogroups that entered the present day African Continent from Mesopotamia during the westward Amurru(Moorish) migrations also known as the Bantu Expansion. These were the Hamitic and Semitic " Asiatic Blacks " who formed the majority population within the Sumerian Cushite Kingdom of Nimrod from which Abraham and his father originated as in Ur of the Chaldees. At one time Mesopotamia was considered an extension of the African Continent that we know today. The only indigenous African haplogroups meaning from the Continent itself are A and B. A is prominent among the Nilotic Dinka, while B is characteristic of many Pygmy tribes. J1 is prominent among the Semitic Amhara of Ethiopia where there are an estimated 10 million that carry the J1 marker. J1 is also the largest haplogroup among the Nubians of Sudan as Khartoum Sudan is the city with the largest J1 percentage in the world. J1 is also relatively high among the isolated Omotic tribes of Ethiopia and it has considerable representation among the Afar and Beja as well.
Semitic Israelites were known to have settled in Nubia where they served as mercenaries and even built an ancient Israelite Temple in Asawan. J1 also has prominent representation among the Black Arabs known as the Baggara and the indigenous Black Bedouins of Palestine as well.. As one moves from Arabia towards Yemen,Ethiopia and Sudan J1 increases indicating that it entered Africa during the earliest Amurru(Moorish) migrations.
The Buba Kohen Priests that dwell among the Lemba tribe in Southern Africa likewise are identified within the J1 Y-Chromosome haplogroup. These original Kohenim are called Buba a name meaning Judah which indicates that the came out of the exile of Judah which led them into Arabia and Yemen before migrating South into Malawi and other parts of Southern Africa. There is a city Lemba that was identified in Arabia and according to the Lemba's own tradition they came to South Africa by way of Sana in Yemen. To this day J1 is dominant among Yemenites. The Lemba as a whole are prominently represented by the Amurru(Moorish) Haplogroups of J1 and E3a.
WIth all of the evidence presented it is clear that the J1 Y-Chromosome Haplogroup along with that of E3a and E3b entered Africa from the original Moorish(Amurru) migrations that brought waves of Black Semites and Hamites into the African Continent from Sumeria the original homeland of Abraham.
J1 IS NOT JEWISH:
There is no such thing as a Jewish Haplogroup. Judaism is a religion comprised of numerous peoples stemming from every conceivable race,color, nationality, origins and ethnic backgrounds. The so-called Jewish people have tested positive for at least 10 distinct and unrelated lineages. In this regard Judaism is no different than Christianity or Islam. When combining all of the so-called Jewish people around the world only 10-14% belong to the J1 Y-Chromosome Haplogroup. This means that approximately 90% of Jews are not J1. ( J1 should not be confused with J2 which is not considered by geneticists to be Semitic and is not significantly represented among the Semitic and Hamitic Amurru tribes that migrated into East Africa.) Only 4% of the world Jewish population claimed to be Kohen and through DNA testing more than half of those claims were found to be fraudulent.Meaning less than 2% of so-called Jews have the Kohen DNA. Therefore the Kohen DNA marker has absolutely nothing to do with 98% of Jews around the world. Ashkenazi Levites are strictly identified with Eurasian Japhetic Haplogroup R1a1. The Buba Kohen Priests of the Lemba in Southern Africa were among the communities with the highest ratio and percentages of Kohen DNA.
That's some comment, Ishaq (I'm quite old, and call all by their given names, hope you don't mind...MY blog site and all that).
DeleteI appreciate the effort you put into it. I even left your hyperlink to your website in there.
Interesting page.
I am still trying to track down WHERE you may have obtained your "information" from. Don't tell me, I like to search for things.
For now, I'm just going to leave your comment and your hyperlink hanging while I go see WTH you may have discovered and where, oh, where, this came from, but really, thanks for taking the time and going to the trouble of leaving a comment.
IF it all turns out to be "garbage", I'll say so here, of course, and then decide whether or not to delete it.
Just off the top of my head....you DO know that the RACE we call "JEWS" is the SAME as the "Jewish Faith", yes?
It's sort of like the hydrogen and oxygen that composes WATER...can't have one without the other IF you want water.
I'm a bit sorry to tell you that yes, there IS a "Jewish gene".
That enrages many.
I have a phrase for that..."Suck it up, go on with life."
I'm a bit crass.
I can sympathize with your desire for there to NOT be a "Jewish gene", for I SO wish the sky was a nice pale turquoise with lavender clouds, but, no, it isn't, and I just accept that.
But, you hang on tightly to all your beliefs, for as long as you please.
Never let FACTS rob you of joy.
And I'm off to see what 'wizard' you gleaned this from..
But, before I go, did you just MAYBE find us one of those mythical "palestinians" from, oh, maybe around 10,000 years ago?
How about 8,000 years ago?
5,000 years ago?
NOPE?
Didn't think so.
There never were any in ancient history.
They were INVENTED about the same time the JEWS went home to Israel.
Ask a Syrian or Egyptian what a "palestinian" is...but then RUN!
I don't think they like FAKES either, but could be wrong.
And that WAS what this blog was about....a FAKE race that NEVER existed.
Wish you'd noticed that this was about the MYTH of an "ancient 'palestiinian race". ...
Wish the sky was light turquoise with lavender clouds...
If you ever DO find that missing ancient kingdom or king or anything that was "palestinian" before around 1930, do come back, ya' hear?
I really won't expect to see you here again... :-)
Wellll,, Ishaq, your opening sentence (1, E3a and E3b are all Y-Chromosome Haplogroups that entered the present day African Continent from Mesopotamia....) appears to have come from a few studies on, ummm, BLACKS IN ANCIENT GREECE???
DeleteFound it in some "NILE VALLEY STUDIES".
That's nice."Y-chromosome of the SUDANESE"?
Okay...
And that sentence that begins "WIth all of the evidence presented it is clear that the J1 Y-Chromosome Haplogroup along with that of E3a and E3b entered Africa from the original Moorish(Amurru) migrations that brought waves of Black Semites and Hamites ...", well, honestly, Ishaq, WIKIPEDIA & EURPEDIA, again about BLACKS and "Berber and Arab DNA in Europe from the Moorish occupation"???
WTH does EUROPE, MOORS, have to do with JEWS, please?
No, no, don't tell me, let me have the pleasure of piecing your odd little puzzle together myself.
I was into genetics before I chose the medical profession...I can do this.
SAY! This isn't about that Khazar thing is it, like maybe, oh, Campbell and others, 2012; Guha and others, 2012; Haber and others; 2013; Henn and others, 2012; Kopelman and others, 2009; Seldin and others, 2006; Tian and others, 2008, etc?
No, don't tell me...
Oh, that "J1 IS NOT JEWISH:" you wrote...must assume you mean the J 1 Y ... there's a LOT about that in genetic studies of "King Tut", have you noticed?
Could we maybe move over to the "X-chromosomes"?
Not meaning at all to sound prejudiced, but grandmother always said, "If Momma isn't a Jewess, you don't see a Jew in front of you."
Study the matrilineal much, Ishaq?
TO, UMMM, THE ONE WHO calls HIMSELF "(Amir) Ishaq Al-Sulaiman"...YOU ARE SO 'BUSTED'!
ReplyDelete"DR,"???
GENTLE READERS, THIS FELLOW CAME HERE AND MADE THE ABOVE COMMENT, BUT LET'S LOOK AT WHAT HE'S POSTED ON THE INTERNET ABOUT HIMSELF...
"Ishaq Al-Sulaimani claims to be a DNA tested Cohen - so he claims to be ethnically Jewish. (from a Lebanese forum) which refers to what Isaac here tells us himself:
"He is a DNA tested and proven Kohen and a descendant of the Bani-Israil Kohen tribe of Qaraiza from Medina in Arabia. As a descendant of the Kohen families of Qaravich,Qaraimovich and Qaranczak ,(Amir) Ishaq D. Al-Sulaimani has been entrusted to preserve and teach the original Israilyaat (Israelite-Islamic teachings) which was commissioned by the Prophet Muhammad and taught to the Kohen tribe of Qaraiza from the Master Teacher Abdallah Ibn Salaam who was a descendant of the Prophet Joseph. In order to teach the scattered remnant of Israel around the world,(Amir) Ishaq D.Al-Sulaimani has established, The Isawiyya Israelite Mosque of Qaraims & The School of Abu Isa Al-Isfahani which teaches in accordance with the original Israilyaat and the Qedar Rite of Qaraims. "
YOU MISSPELLED Isra'iliyyat , iSAAC!
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU MISSPELLED ISRA'ILIYYAT!'
Isra'iliyyat. REMEMBER THIS, & QUICKLY, GO CHANGE IT. LOL
PSSST, ISAAC, Did you mean: Kohen families of Maravich,Abramovich?
SERBIAN MUCH, ISAAC?
WOWSERS! GET THE JEW OUT, EH, ISAAC?
CHANGE ALL THAT JEWISHNESS TO, WHAT, ISLAMIC?
ISIS WON'T LIKE THAT, ISAAC.
Nice pic of you doing the VULCAN finger split (Yes, I know it was Jewish before Spock, who was Jewish!).
http://memberfiles.freewebs.com/02/42/53834202/photos/undefined/IMAG1574-1.jpg
Scruffy BLONDE beard and all, hmmm?
YOU'RE QUITE UNPOPULAR ON THAT LEBANESE FORUM ....SORRY, GUY.
"Jolio thinks Al-Sulaimani is a genius.
al-Sulaimani seems to be Jolio's favorite cleric.":
CLERIC? HAS JOILO SEEN YOUR WEBPAGE MIXING ISLAM WITH JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY? HOPE THAT DOESN'T OFFEND HIM, GUY.
WHY WOULD YOU CHANGE FROM SOLOMON TO Al-Sulaimani ???
JUST CURIOUS, i MEAN, YOU BEING KOHEN AND ALL...
OHHHHHH, ISAAC, ISAAC, IT'S BEEN A REAL HOOT.
YOU COME HERE DERIDING DNA PROOF AND YET YOU SPOTLIGHT YOUR VERY, VERY ALLEGED DNA PROOF YOU'RE A KOHEN? OR COHEN?
(What does your passport say, isaac?)
"Amir"....
HERE, LET ME SHOW YOU HOW TO SPELL WHAT YOU REALLY APPEAR TO BE, BESIDES MARGINALLY LITERATE, JUDGING FROM THE DOZENS OF ERRORS IN GRAMMAR I SAW ON THAT LEBANESE FORUM (and other sites I saw your posts on), IT'S H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.
OH, AND CAN YOU TRANSLATE THIS WORD FOR US, ISAAC?
ЛАЖЕ.
HOW ABOUT THIS ?
tukang bohong.
JUST WONDERING HOW YOU ARE ON TRANSLATIONS, DUDE.
YOU LIVE LONG AND PROSPER NOW, YA' HEAR.
NAN-NOO, NAN-NOO, BUCKAROO BONZAI.
IT'S BEEN FUN--NY.
I'M SURE YOU WON'T MIND MY LEAVING THIS ALL UP HERE.
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THE JEWISH RACE HAS NO SUCH DNA LINKAGE? Since when Jews is a race?
ReplyDeleteWho said that Hamas want to extinct all Jews?
@Raed, The differing DNA stretches are called haplotypes, and what has been mapped showing Jewish people are a distinct race was called the Jewish HapMap Project.
DeleteSee also See also: “Abraham’s Children in the Genome Era: Major Jewish Diaspora Populations Comprise Distinct Genetic Clusters with Shared Middle Eastern Ancestry,” Study Finds Genetic Links Among Jewish People, among dozens of articles on the genotyping. Jews have always been treated as a separate race from the host populations they lived amongst.
It all goes back to old Abraham, doesn't it, & the BIG SPLIT, when Abraham chose Isaac over Ishmael. Simple enough to show GENETIC links to both those brothers, depending on whether one is "Arabic" or "Jew".
Just as genetics are used today to prove PATERNITY in court, it's just as simple to prove one has Jewish ancestors...or Native American, or Asian, or African...simple.
Jewish people had established ANCIENT kingdoms, ANCIENT artifacts, an ANCIENT culture, a specific language that dates back thousands of years, and a very ancient religion, which predates almost all others, well known that the Proto-Semitic people established their religion no later than about 3,750 years before the common era (BCE) on what is NOW called the Arabian Peninsula, migrating throughout the Near East into Mesopotamia, Egypt, Ethiopia, and the eastern shore of the Mediterranean, hundreds of yewars before the first EGyptian pyramid was built. Their religion would influence other descendant cultures and faiths, such as Christianity.
As for HAMAS, everyone has read the statements made every year by HAMAS, by the PLO in its day, by Hezbollah, ISIS, by all who are of the Ishmael lineage..."Push all Jews into the sea. We will not rest until the last Jew is killed." It's been this way since Abraham chose Isaac. Unfortunate, but sibling rivalry can be vicious.
Great blog! I was wondering is you could discuss more about the J2a2 lineage as you seem very well informed. I can't seem to find much information out there. Great comment on King Tut, lol!
ReplyDeletej2a2 as a "maternal marker" is quite rare, but I don't see how you didn't find more info using a simple Google search?
DeleteIt carries a few quite distinct polymorphisms, if you are interested from a medical standpoint.
Only about 12% TOTAL of 'Europeans' carry the J haplogroup, fewer still the J2 (less than 2% of French/Italian people) but the j2a2 is discovered in "Near Eastern' people a bit more often.
My info comes from a few sources such as Piia Serk, Human Mitochondrial DNA Haplogroup J in Europe and Near East, Tartu 2004.
If you are interested in it from a Jewish perspective, Ashkenazi Jews seem to have the j2a2 show up more often than others.
j2a2 is also found among descendants of Iberian 'gypsies', whom some have grouped with "Jews".
Tested individuals among ther Jewish population exhibit about 30% j2 subgroup.
The "J group" was found to have "originated" ( a guess, really) over 45,000 years ago in what is now referred to as the "Arabian Peninsula", and the j2 subgroup itself is dated to more than 20,000 years ago.
Pala et al determined that J2a and J2a2 are Near Eastern but J2a1 is European.
You will find MUCH more info on the j2 subgroup than on the j2a2, definitely, but not knowing in which direction your interest in j2a2 lies, I can't be specific in what I can offer you in response.
To get the thesis study I mentioned, the following will take you to an INSTANT download of a 68-page PDF file which you can read at your leisure. (I don't do 'tiny urls', sorry:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwiLksvkuNrMAhVPKywKHRInDfgQFggkMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fclass.csueastbay.edu%2Fanthropologymuseum%2F2006IA%2FDNA_PDFS%2FmtDNA%2FSerk2004.pdf&usg=AFQjCNGIGlbvCi0J9DYJeuJM9dTWLH4ppQ&sig2=FHI7IfHsUhkxQ5-xIEs9GA&cad=rja
Thanks! I am of Scots extraction in the US. I am very interested in any information, as most references discuss mostly the J1 subclades, but when it comes to j2a2, many references say it has not been extensively studied as you note. I had not heard the Iberian Gypsy reference before, but have heard of the Italian and Sicilian clusters and a Jewish medieval cluster in Spain. It's very interesting some of the theories about j2a2 in Scotland. I just finished "When Scotland was Jewish". I am trying to research both genealogical and medical information. As far as I can gather so far, from the Arabian peninsula 3 routes are theorized: the "Phoenician"Italian/Iberian/Wales sea route for mining bronze ore, the overland Greek/Italian/Roman to Britain route and the third being up the Volga through Skandinavia to Britain route. Many of my ancestors were "marcher lords" on the borders of Scotland/Wales well into the 1600's. There was a Roman legion there, the second Legion Augusta at Caerleon which is exactly where some of my maternal ancestors came from. it's a fascinating puzzle, thank you for taking time to share a resource. Have you read Hirschmann's book and if so what is your opinion?
DeleteThanks for clarifying the basis of your interest in the j2a2.
DeleteNo, I have not read the book by Elizabeth Hirschmann, as my interest lies toward the Jewish genetic studies because of one ancestor.
Other studies involving certain Mediterranean genes, haplogroups, etc, involving particular indigenous Tribes of the South/North American continents are of far greater interest to me, actually, as that is my 'genealogy'.
I agree wholeheartedly that such studies are beyond fascinating & am delighted to see such progress in tracing lineages as we can all do today.
Since both my ancestral lines tend to matrilineal societies, I focus on that, mainly because we can be 100% certain who 'mother' was, but there may be some questions as to who was truly 'father', yes?
:-)
Feel free to post anything you discover here regarding Scots & the j2a2.
I have a special feeling for the Scots.
Remarkable history, beautiful land.
All the best.
Since Anonymous mentioned a good point, lack of research available for the specific J2a2 maternal haplogroup I thought I'd add to J2a2's google search results. ;) My MtDNA can be traced no father than German Lutherans who came to Pennsylvania per-revolution. I know little about Germans and less about Lutherans but from what I understand they were relatively nomadic before settling here. They also did not have many options for marriage partners... small town... single 2nd cousin... fortunately I have found only one such coupling in my direct ancestors but it happens to be on my maternal line. Durlach, Stadt Karlsruhe, Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany is the farthest back I am currently aware of, she was born 1692. I'm sure it goes much father back in time and distance however I havent't gotten there yet. I suspect Algeria. Berber North Africans.
ReplyDeleteNote to blogger, both AnestryDNA and 23andme report Ashkenazi which is possible however we only know of our Sephardi ancestors and that has nothing to do with my MtDNA. They were forced convertos, Sephardi jews living on the island of Menorca. They were burned, slaughtered, forced to convert and turned in by their own servants. But they did convert and wore that mask so well that by the time of the generation that arrived in Florida they were die-hard Catholics. I learned never to wear masks.
ReplyDeleteYour post eluded a reply for far too long, Linda. The same thing happened in RUSSIA, when some Polish & other folks there saw that Russia made allowances for Jews and that Jews were successfully trading along the Silk Road & making considerable financial gain in many areas of trade. All of a sudden, they declared themselves to be Jews. NO GENETIC TESTS necessary to prove their claims. This is why Israel is so big on genetic testing. Sure, a person CAN have a genetic link to "Father Abraham", but too many also have a genetic link to "Mother Hagar", the EGYPTIAN, & NOT to "Mother Sarah" whose genetics on both sides would lead to Jewish lineage. We never know for sure who the father was unless we do DNA analysis. Same on mom if there's no eyewitness to the delivery of the child and that child growing up with that same mother. www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-sephardic-and-ashkenazic/
Delete" J1 should not be confused with J2 which is not considered by geneticists to be Semitic."...
DeleteThank you for that clarification, I like most, am just scratching the surface of knowledge of all things genetic/ethnic. None of us alive today know our true origin, I can only take what 23andme, AncestryDNA, and the others suggest use that to give me research leads that still won't lead to Eve.
There are MUCH better DNA tests that WILL provide amazing data for you, but they're much more expensive. WHOLE genome sequencing is best. HUGE difference between genotyping and sequencing. Companies like Ancestry.com to 23andMe are all genotyping companies. They report a tiny fraction of your overall DNA.
DeleteWHOLE genome studies over 300,000 bases or 100% of one's DNA. This is what was used in the HUMAN GENOME PROJECT. Sequencing DNA means determining the order of the four chemical building blocks, called "bases", that build the DNA molecule.
Unfortunately, this costs thousands of dollars. You can have a look at the link below if you care to. All the best to you.
https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/DNA-Sequencing-Fact-Sheet
“Jewish DNA” genetic signatures do show up in DNA test results for family history: in YDNA, mtDNA and even autosomal tests.
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't get more complete than that, does it?
Because Jewish people (as a whole) have been so good at obeying rather strict laws of family life, their DNA hasn’t been dispersed and diluted throughout the rest of the world, but instead has maintained a relatively distinctive signature throughout time. That means that their YDNA (tracing a direct paternal line), their mtDNA (tracing a direct maternal line), and even their autosomal DNA (looking at both sides) looks just as Jewish as braided Challah bread.
The unique Jewish YDNA and mtDNA signature is most easily seen in haplogroup designations. A haplogroup is a deep ancestral group that usually provides you with a broad, general idea of where your ancestors lived tens of thousands of years ago. Now for genealogists, even dealing in ten generations is a lot, let alone hundreds! However, Jewish lineages fall within a very distinct set of haplogroups (for the most part), making it very easy to verify a direct paternal or a direct maternal line as Jewish.
Researchers have identified a particular set of YDNA values which can even be associated with the Cohen priestly line.
https://www.yourdnaguide.com/ydgblog/2019/6/18/jewish-ethnicity-and-dna